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De-Tracking Interlake High School: Principal Sharon Collins Tells Us How and Why

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A decade ago, Interlake High School was the lowest-performing school in the Bellevue, Washington school district. Now, students thrive on a rich diet of demanding core courses. Student achievement rose steadily as more and more students opted for challenging AP and International Baccalaureate coursework. (See our story about Interlake here)

Principal Sharon Collins chalks her school’s success up to the ambitious de-tracking effort she launched when she became principal. The school eliminated the lowest-rung courses and urged students into the more challenging AP and IB routes. Key to this strategy was early and sustained support for struggling students.

We recently chatted with Collins by phone:

Public School Insights: I understand that about ten years ago, Interlake was the lowest-performing school in the district. What changed?

Collins: Well, there were quite a few components that came into it. One of them [is that] the school went through huge remodel. We got an opportunity to reinvent ourselves when we moved into the new building.

When I first came there, I met with every staff member for a 20-minute interview. We talked a lot about curriculum and climate. Those two things were the focus for the school. I instituted a whole committee to work on the climate of the school, putting in common procedures and common ways that we tell kids they’re doing well…and we all have common expectations for the way students behave. And at the same time district was implementing a common curriculum. There were three parts of that, [including] having a common curriculum for [students], having teacher training to make sure that the teachers are up-to-date on professional development, and having strong student support systems.

I’m also very fortunate that I have an incredible staff here. They are very willing to collaborate with each other and…our main goal is preparing all our students for success in college. That’s the goal for…every kid in the building. If the kids decide they want to do something different, that’s okay, but they’re prepared for pretty much anything if we prepare them for being successful in college. They can choose a different pathway if they want to.

Public School Insights: On the point of preparing them for college, I understand that one of the things you did to help turn the school around was begin to adopt much more challenging coursework.

Collins: Interlake was an International Baccalaureate school since at least eight years before I got there. But what was happening, for instance, the first year I was there, [was that] we only had 16 students going for the IB Diploma. And so we started really encouraging many students to at least take 1 AP or IB class. And encouraging even more than that to go for full IB diploma. Since we’ve really put that push on [the students] they have started rising to the challenge.

Public School Insights: But was there ever any fear amongst parents or faculty that you would be actually diluting these courses by encouraging more students to participate?

Collins: Well, the IB curriculum is pretty set. There’s internal and external assessments in the IB program all along the whole year; it’s not just preparing them for one test at the end of the year. So it would be pretty difficult to dilute the classes and still have the kids do well. Of course, there’s always that fear, but the [faculty], in order to teach an IB class…have to be trained by the IB organization, and [IB is] pretty clear about what the curriculum’s going to be and what the assessments are. It’s a year-long course; not just doing whatever curriculum the teacher chooses.

That’s why it’s really important that you have the three components. You have a really standardized curriculum that [sets high expectations and goals for students]. You have training where the teachers are getting professional development and are experts in their content area and the curriculum. And then you have a very strong support system for students. And that might mean that [students] have an extra math class during the day so that they’re ready to take that honors-level math course. The support class that we offer at the school pre-teaches them what they’re going to get in their honors class the next day or over the next week. It pre-teaches the investigation they’re going to do, some of the vocabulary they’re going to do, the basic skills they’re going to need for the unit coming up. So when they’re sitting in their honors-level class, they’re a little bit ahead of their peers because they’ve already seen the curriculum and the work, and they’re kind of getting a double dose of it.

We have…before-school work, which is from 6:30 to 7:20 for students who may be struggling across the board. Our counselors work with them on organizational skills and [things such as] having them check their grades online, looking at their assignments [and] making sure they’re set for the week. A lot of students who struggle have a problem figuring out where to even start.

Public School Insights: So a strong support system for students who may have a bit more trouble succeeding in those classes. From the results I’ve seen, you’ve had pretty astonishing success from all sorts of students in your IB and AP classes.

Collins: Yeah…we increased the number of AP and IB tests taken over the course of the last three years. In 2006 we had 544 AP and IB tests taken, and 62% of the kids were earning credit when they took the test. This last year we had 1113 tests taken, and 70% of the kids earned credit. That’s a pretty big improvement, considering we doubled the number of tests we’re taking.

And you would think…sometimes when more people are taking these high-level classes, that maybe the results go down a little bit. But our students are performing better than they were three years ago, and we have a lot more students taking the classes. So having a strong support system for the kids and really developing a culture where kids [prioritize] academics are important.

Public School Insights: You just mentioned this notion of academic culture that you’ve begun to infuse into the school. Do you think it’s merely a question of raising standards and then providing support, or were there other aspects of this culture-building exercise that you were able to use?

Collins: Well, it’s also about…climate, and creating a positive school climate. That means kids enjoy coming to school. They know that there are adults at the school who care about them. They know that they’re being recognized for positive work and positive behavior.

When we opened the new building, we instituted what’s called Safe and Civil and Productive Schools. The staff really bought into that. We survey our kids every spring about how they feel with different areas of the school and if they think their teachers care about them. We track that data, and when we see that maybe we’re falling short in certain places, then we put together a task-force…to develop different strategies to help kids feel more like their teachers do care about them. They know there’s an…adult they can talk to about things.

It’s a matter of making sure that the students enjoy coming to school, feel like people are there who care about them, [and who] are keeping them focused on going to college. So, being very strategic about that.

[Students] do different kinds of personality tests, and figure out different [aspects of] jobs they might be interested in, and they make their four-year high school plan…what classes they’re going to take. And they research different colleges that offer those kinds of jobs. And they look into each of those different colleges [and] what the expectations are for getting into those colleges. So they start out in ninth grade putting out a plan for where they’re going to end up…[they’re] not just [starting at] the end of the junior year.

Public School Insights: I’ve also read that, in the spirit of starting early, you work with middle school teachers to determine which students are going to need help and support on early on so they can get on this more advanced track you promote.

Collins: Absolutely. Starting in spring, we go to the middle schools where our kids are seeding into Interlake and we target about 25 or 30 students that have struggled in middle school. And what we found is that if we can get them hooked into school the first six weeks of high school, [that’s] really important. [Y]ou start kids off on the path of success…and then keep following up with them.

[For] kids that have typically gotten Ds and Fs in middle school, we’ll work with [them] a couple of weeks before school starts. I have five teachers who come in and they work with the 25 or so kids [during this time]. They just do the summer reading packet with them, they do the first week or so of the curriculum in math and biology, and their ninth grade courses. We call it “Starting Strong.” It basically gets the students completely ready so that when they start school they’ve got their planner all together, they’ve got their notebook ready, they know where all the classes are, and they’ve already done their first few assignments. They’re totally on top of everything…and for some kids who’ve struggled in middle school, that hasn’t been the case before.

In the first year we did it, it was okay for the first quarter, and then [the students] went back into their old habits. We learned we couldn’t just give them that little “Starting Strong” part, we also had to have the other part where they meet from 6:30 to 7:20 in morning with their counselor and follow up with them. So the second year…we started this follow up piece which has been a lot more successful.

Public School Insights:It sounds like what you’ve done is to minimize tracking in your school to get more students into that advanced course of study. As you’ve talked to other educators who may be considering this, and they’re worried if they have families or even teachers who say that you’re going to be diluting the quality of our courses by doing this, what do you tell them? 

Collins: I always ask people the question, “Do you want your son or daughter to be in the low track?” [If not] then no one should be in the low track. I’d go much farther than saying we need to minimize tracking: I would say we need to eliminate it. The kids need to be taking the highest level classes they can and we need to figure out how we can support them so they can be successful. It shouldn’t be only a few kids taking the challenging, high-level curriculum. It’s good for all kids. We’ve got to figure out way, and we might need to be creative.

And having said all that, I don’t think we’ve completely “figured it out.” We still have lots of kids who aren’t making it, and we keep trying to figure out how to get them there.

You can’t just plop [students] into an AP or IB class and expect they’re going to do well if they don’t necessarily have the same instructional background as some kids who have been going along that way.

Public School Insights: So support is the key to the de-tracking agenda?

Collins: Yeah, and being creative about how you offer it. Supporting the high-level curriculum. I think one of the other mistakes people make in education is that we think we need to remediate, so the support class turns into a remediation class. It [actually] needs to be a “support the high-level curriculum” class; pre-teaching [students] what they’re going to learn, frontloading them, giving them the vocabulary, giving them strategies and critical thinking they’re going to need to be successful in [the advanced course].

 We’ve also broken down the data so that we can look at our kids that qualify for free or reduced-price lunch to see if we’re getting them into at least 1 AP or IB class. If we aren’t, we better figure out why not, and start encouraging them to do it. So, encourage [all students], and let them know you believe they they can do it, and [that] you’re going to give them the support [they need] to be successful.


Thank you for profiling this

Thank you for profiling this success story! We need more like it - detracking is essential and manageable high school reform. I highly recommend the book Detracking for Excellence and Equity - by Burris and Garrity.

http://shop.ascd.org/ProductDisplay.cfm?ProductID=108013

And more generally, thank you for the consistently solid blogging. This has gradually become my top stop for blog reading, as I consistently find information I want to share with other educators and administrators.

Thanks for the message,

Thanks for the message, David.

As it happens, we'll be interviewing Carol Burris quite soon.

And thank you for the kind comment. It's nice to know that someone's out there reading this!

Thanks, I especially like the

Thanks,

I especially like the previewing in the summer and before school. Getting a kid out the gate well, I've always suspected, would be better than remediation. But then again I've never thought of that summer effort with five teachers. I wonder if I'll remember to give proper credit to Carol Buris when I pass on the suggestion or imply that it was my idea.

I mean Sharon Collins. Oh

I mean Sharon Collins. Oh forgetaboutit. I'll just claim the idea for myself.

As long as you have

As long as you have special-ed students and gifted children, you'll always have some degree of tracking. More fun yet, if you have gifted students with special needs, like my seven-year-old who does nearly fifth grade math, but likes to discuss the Teletubbies. :]

Illeducated layperson here has some questions (hope you don't mind):

1. I thought that counsellors, parents and students decided on a course of study for high schoolers? At least here, our principal is totally uninvolved in the process. I only ever hear from him when my children slug other children for calling them "gay" (sigh) or have refused to take stupid state-mandated surveys (I raise rebels, Go me!).

2. I thought free/reduced lunch status was private? Principals and teachers know this about the students?

3. It sounds like the parents and kids are working pretty hard as well. Now that the program has been in operation for 10 years, they should have a fair idea how their graduates do in college. So... how do they do?

4. Unrelated. Has your daughter slept through the night yet?

God bless ya! Thanks for humouring me.

Hi, Mrs. C! From one

Hi, Mrs. C!

From one "ill-educated layperson" to another:

1.) Many people (including me) think that great principals are "instructional leaders." They set an academic vision and can see to its implementation. So the number, percentage and distribution of students taking challenging courses is generally a concern. One reason why so many principals work brutal hours is that they have to be instructional leaders, building leaders, discipline leaders, compliance leaders--etc.

2.) As far as I know, principals and teachers have to know who's on free- and reduced-price lunch, because they have to help administer the program. I don't think they can divulge that information to others. (I might be wrong here, so maybe other readers can help me out.)

3.) I have to defer to the good people at Interlake on this one. In lots of schools you can have some interesting anecdotal data on this point, but no ironclad data to inform you about things like college persistence and graduation--because they lack the data systems. They also have to work around data privacy concerns. (Remember those?) More robust data systems are coming on line in states around the country.

4.) Thanks for asking! As it happens, she slept through the night twice this week--for the first time. Wonderful! She makes up for it by being wired and bouncy all day, but she's more adorable than she is exhausting.

Thanks, Claus! I would be

Thanks, Claus!

I would be most concerned about number college success if I were a parent and shelling out $50,000/year, but *yes,* I have concerns about data sharing. Often, however, you would be surprised at how people volunteer very private information simply because a school authority figure has asked. :]

Could you tell me whether you

Could you tell me whether you offer the ASVAB test along with the other tests that help students identify their interests and, if not, would you consider the benefits of career exploration that it offers?

Thanks.

I am not a recruiter. I am interested in finding schools that are using ASVAB to help determine whether students, who have a better sense of their interests and aptitudes, are more likely to understand --or be willing to take more challenging courses-- and, ultimately complete High School.

While I agree that all

While I agree that all students should be prepared to attend college should they choose to do so, I disagree that preparation for college makes students ready for just about anything.

Many students are so focused on preparation for college and success in college that they forget that their college years will be only a few years of their lives. We need to prepare for students for success beyond college and for success if they don't choose to attend college immediately after high school.

Too much emphasis on AP and IB classes scares me. Students should be immersed in career education, real life situations, service learning programs, and student leadership programs of all kinds. Every student should be offered the option of apprenticeship programs and other work-learning programs as well as college programs.

I have seen it happen that the most academically-talented students are the most naive about the wide variety of career options and learning options available to them.

Martha Murpy
Career Educator

Thank you, Martha-- Do you

Thank you, Martha--

Do you think focus on IB and AP programs necessarily precludes greater awareness of career options, real-life situations, and student leadership situations? Is the naivete of some academic stars a necessary by-product of heavy emphasis on AP and IB, or could it be a pitfall of imperfect implementation?

Sharon has moved on to a new

Sharon has moved on to a new position within Bellevue School District, Director of Curriculum

We certainly wish her luck. Everyone is very curious to see where she stands in the Math Wars with regard to Reform Math...

Interesting to read, the

Interesting to read, the strategies of one principal in a Washington district school. My response: "by whatever means necessary."

It's been years since anyone

It's been years since anyone has posted, but I'll share my thoughts anyway.  I just stumbled across this after re-watching "Waiting For Superman".  

I am an Interlake Alumni.   Sharon Collins was my principle both at Interlake and at Highland middle school.  Great lady, I really liked her.  But I'd like to share some other perspectives that didn't get mentioned.  

I think I took just one AP class at Interlake when I was a sophomore.  I was annoyed that I was graded down for the style (or lack thereof) of my NOTES, instead of the results of my work.  

The next year I enrolled in "Running Start" where I took my JR and SR courses at the local CC and earned college credit simultaneously.  I preferred the idea of real college credit instead of potential credit (AP).  Anyways, I did well enough.  I'm a University of Washington Graduate and I'll start Grad School in the fall.  

At the time Interlake was elevating its standards there was also an "alternative" school in the district.  "Problem" students were sent there.  That's one reason I always thought the National rankings that had Interlake and other BSD schools in the top 100 were flawed - Because the "problems" could just be shipped out to the alternative school, Robinswood.  My brother was one of the students sent to Robinswood.  To this day he's never been arrested or been in any real trouble.  In highschool he was never violent or anything worse than rowdy.  He just had trouble focusing and engaging in school.  He didn't fit the mold for Interlake's new "elevated" standards, so he was sent off the Robinswood.  He graduated.  But Robinswood is pass or fail only.  Ask him and all my other friends who went there, all you have to do is show up.  He's attended a CC off and on since then but is yet to earn a degree.  He's a great guy and actually works for the school district as a para-educator.  But I just wanted to share how Interlake's "elevation" has affected some.  

I have other friends who found themselves overwhelmed by too many AP courses and their grades suffered because of it.  Kids who could have gotten great grades in normal classes found themselves overwhelmed by multiple AP courses and their grades suffered because they bought into Interlake's AP/IB mania.  I think the significance of AP courses compared to overall GPA for college entrance was embellished (not necessarily intentionally) to increase the total number of AP/IB tests taken, which went to boost the school's national ranking.  

I believe that Robinswood has now been closed.  I don't know much about Interlake right now, but soon my foster brother will be going there. He is an awful lot like my older brother, so I hope that things work out well for him.

I liked Interlake and feel fine about my education.  But if kids get pushed to the side and forgotten at our best schools, just imagine the worst ones. We have a lot of work to do! 

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