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Can Citizens Tell a Good School When They See One?

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The first paragraph of Education Next’s Grading Schools: Can Citizens Tell a Good School When They See One? discusses the widespread availability of school standardized test score data. Reading that, I thought I knew what the article would be about. Citizens judging schools based on test scores alone, rather than more meaningful measures. It resonated with me, because the same day I read the article, I had fallen prey to that trap. I was talking about a really great school...and talking only about its test scores. Someone called me on it. I could have mentioned the amazing parent engagement at the school. Or discussed how students at this school--over 90% of whom receive free or reduced price lunch--collected money to send to relief efforts in Haiti. In imparting such citizenship to its students, this school must be doing something right. I know all this, about this school and many others. But I still talk mainly about test scores. We do need to look beyond test scores in determining a school’s quality, but do most citizens actually do so?

Of course, by the end of the second paragraph I knew that was not what this article was about. Instead, it described a study that looked at whether citizens judge school quality based on performance data, or whether indicators such as the racial or class makeup of the school sway their perspective. An entirely different question, but also very interesting.

So I read the article. And while I am not sure I entirely trust their methodology, I am somewhat heartened to learn that citizens do judge the quality of their schools based on student proficiency rates in core academic subjects, not racial demographics. They do take into consideration the percentage of a student body that is poor, but those considerations do not overpower judgments based on information about academic performance. For parents of school-age children the relationship between proficiency rates and school ratings was more than twice as strong as it was for other respondents, though they were also more responsive to poverty rates than others. Importantly, trends held among demographic groups--in other words, disadvantaged populations were just as aware of school quality as other citizens.

The researchers also found that while citizens were responsive to student achievement levels, they were not as responsive to achievement growth as a measure of school quality. Nor were they responsive to school performance on national standardized tests, only the state tests for which results are readily available to them.

The researchers describe two policy implications of this study: that growth measures should feature more prominently in school accountability systems, so that citizens pay more attention to them as a measure of school quality; and that realigning state standards or moving towards common standards would help citizens more accurately understand the performance of their schools in a national context.

While I may not have been thrilled with the methodology used here, I am really displeased with these implications. My interpretation of their findings is that citizens pay attention to the public data on their schools. So why simply call for more prominently featuring growth measures? Why not branch out from an accountability system based almost entirely on standardized test scores to one that includes multiple measures of school performance? Since the public is responsive to what we say about school quality, let’s let them know about what we actually believe are the most important aspects of a school, not just basic reading and math scores.

But a larger concern I have with this study goes back to my initial question: Are citizens judging schools based on more than test scores? What would have happened if those who conducted this study had asked not, “Is this a good school?,” but “Would you send your child to this school?”

A white upper-middle-class parent living near a KIPP* school might be able to say, “That school is good.” He sees in the paper that the school is good. The school celebrates its achievement by putting flyers in mailboxes and banners on the building. But would that parent send his child to that school? If not, how “good” does he truly believe that the school is? Until we start getting at this issue, are we really learning what our citizens think about our schools? Or have we assigned a definition to school quality that they don’t respect?

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*Not to pick on KIPP schools, but many are considered "good" schools while serving a mainly disadvantaged population rather than a racially or economically heterogeneous one.


Great post. Jay Mathews noted

Great post.

Jay Mathews noted that Rafe Esquith in LA--probably the best teacher on the planet according to anyone who knows anything--did not get the most effective rating according to the LA Times takedown of teachers. If he isn't in the top, the evaluators have to go back to the drawing board. And the "journalists" should apologize.

In my state, elementary

In my state, elementary schools are not teaching subjects like science and social studies because they are not tested.

But would that parent send

But would that parent send his child to that school? If not, how “good” does he truly believe that the school is?

Parents who aren't low income speak with two hats--taxpayer and parent. As taxpayers, they want to know that schools with at risk populations are doing a good job with the money given them. As parents, they don't want their kids subjected to the problems that go hand in hadn with low income at-risk populations.

This surely doesn't come as a shock. We're not terribly stressed out by the achievement of our middle to high income kids, and as a rule, parents in these categories rank environment as much more essential than the umpteenth decimal on achievement tests. Who cares exactly where a kid is once he or she has hit the 90th percentile?

But when they judge schools focusing on low income, at risk kids, they know that the test scores are indicating whether or not the kids can hit barely minimum competencies--say, adding and reading. When the average performance is at the 15th percentile, tests are all.

I don't see this is all that complicated. Surely parents who pay taxes are allowed to judge schools who teach kids who can't read based on how well they up reading scores, and not whether or not the kids write good fiction?

Cal - Your point about two

Cal - Your point about two hats is well taken. But your last paragraph concerns me.

Is a school that teaches kids how to read, but not write, a good school? As a taxpayer, I want my money going to ensure that all school children are able to both read AND write, regardless of their family income. A school that is not teaching its students to write is not doing a good job with my tax dollars. Unfortunately, I have no real way of knowing how the schools in my community are doing at that.

But my main concern: Should the definition of a good school be different for low-income children than for middle- and upper-income children? Personally, I don't think so.

Apples to Oranges I was

Apples to Oranges

I was inadvertently comparing apples to oranges. So here:

Surely parents who pay taxes are allowed to judge schools who teach kids who can't read based on how well they up reading scores, and not whether or not the kids are fluent in Hamlet?

Or, alternatively,

Surely parents who pay taxes are allowed to judge schools who teach kids who can't read based on how well they improve grammar knowledge and written expression, and not how well the kids write fiction?

Hope that straightens it out.

"Should the definition of a good school be different for low-income children than for middle- and upper-income children? Personally, I don't think so."

What you think should be, and what is, are two different things.

Fact: parents and taxpayers have different standards for schools. As parents, most people want their kids with kids from a middle class or higher socio-economic background because that will provide their kids with other good role models and friends--as well as a limited exposure to dangerous or unmotivated kids.

As taxpayers, most people want schools educating low income kids to improve abilities and test scores--even though as parents, they'd never want their kids at predominantly low income schools, no matter how "good" they are.

You don't have to like this to accept that it's true. And yes, parents who also pay taxes expect to have a say in how their tax dollars are used to educate low income kids.

Cal - As regards your first

Cal - As regards your first point..."Surely parents who pay taxes are allowed to judge schools who teach kids who can't read based on how well they up reading scores, and not whether or not the kids are fluent in Hamlet?" or "Surely parents who pay taxes are allowed to judge schools who teach kids who can't read based on how well they improve grammar knowledge and written expression, and not how well the kids write fiction?"

Perhaps. But when you describe both schools as "good," the term loses its meaning. And when we accept that low-income kids are not going to get the Hamlet, but they are going to be expected to compete in a society with students who do, are we just dooming them to a second class existence? And do we care if we are?

As hard as the ideal might be to achieve, I think that giving up on it as the goal would require re-evaluating the principles that we as Americans claim to espouse.

And as for the second part of your comment...The vast, vast majority of low-income parents are taxpayers too. And I don't think you would find many of those parents who think that just getting their kids the basic skills is going to be sufficient when, again, they are going to have to compete with kids who have so much more. Their voice should be heard in such debates as well.

But to go way back to your first comment...

"When the average performance is at the 15th percentile, tests are all." That I agree with. But the point I was initially trying to make was, is a school where 100% of students meet proficiency standards on tests of basic skills necessarily good? I don't believe so.

Anonymous - I'm not that

Anonymous - I'm not that familiar with Rafe, but I agree that the principle is the same. The systems we are using to judge both teachers and schools do not get at what we truly value for either.

Bob - I've heard similar comments before. Some would argue "then test social studies and science," but what about all the other skills and knowledge that we want our schools to teach? We have to develop more sophisticated systems of determining whether or not schools are doing a good job.

Our desire to have low-income

Our desire to have low-income children get "the same" education as middle class children comes up against our equally strong desire to have schools meet each child where s/he is and move her/him along efficiently. When some children start out with fewer skills and less background knowledge, we can either give them a "middle class" education (whether their schools are all low-income or mixed-income) and hope that they can keep up; or we can do a full-court press to fill in the gaps in their existing knowledge/skill set, but that will look a bit different from a "middle class" education, at least at the beginning.

That is one of the hardest

That is one of the hardest aspects of this whole debate. And I think that either system you describe could work, with the right people implementing it.

But what I want is an accountability system that does not classify two schools as equally good based on standardized test scores, regardless of what is actually happening in a school and what its kids are actually capable of doing. I worry if we get to a point where 100% of low-income kids pass a state test, we will just pat ourselves on the back and claim to have closed the gap, not caring that those kids aren't ready for success in college or ultimately in the global economy.

Imnproved test scores are

Imnproved test scores are only an indication; they are necessary but not sufficient as indicators. But at this point, we're not even getting improved test scores in a lot of schools.

I found this blog while

I found this blog while searching for answers to how do I (a parent) tell if a school is a good school. I'm not a teacher by education, so I don't have any type of inside information that teachers seem to have.

I'm one of those middle/upper class parents who has decided to send my child to our "neighborhood school". This neighborhood school has 50% free/reduced lunch and 20% ELL (English Language Learners). It's also hugely diverse, with only about 40% of the students being classified as "white". My son is in kindergarten. We have an awesome kindergarten teacher, but I'm not sure how I feel about the school as a whole or whether I want my son to go there next year.

I am looking for guidance on how to evaluate a school from the inside. How do I determine if this school will be a good fit in the long term? How do I tell if my son is learning enough. How do I tell if my son will thrive at this school?

Thanks!

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